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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Oh Jan! Thanks for that very much Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I don't think he's a fraud. I do think he's a putz, or just over his head.


Maybe, but his behavior is sure giving a pretty fair impression of it. Not responding either in public or private, when apparently he is aware of the complaints isn't easing our minds.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that I don't think he intended to be a fraud.

But maybe I'm just bugged since my name is linked with the project. You know Oscar Wilde once said that the way to stay young is to repeat your mistakes. Thanks to Randaleem, I now want to be old.

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Be easy, mate. None of this reflects on you. If anything, it reflects well, you were somehow willing to "license" a circuit to him and I can't think of anybody so far who thinks you are at fault. Au contraire, everyone is on your side, watching out for you. Don't you worry. Really. You have a lot of respect here, as if I had to really say that.

Randall, on the other hand... *shrug* does it matter.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thomas Henry wrote:
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I don't think he's a fraud. I do think he's a putz, or just over his head.


Maybe, but his behavior is sure giving a pretty fair impression of it. Not responding either in public or private, when apparently he is aware of the complaints isn't easing our minds.



Paul, I'm 100% behind Thomas here. I remember the grand old days of Mid West Analog- it was an inspiration to me back then, but I also know the story of why it was closed and of how some people 'took the piss' both during and after, ie if anyone knows, TH does. We've had no proper communication at all, just a few arbitrary answers.

Apparently one forum member has had assurance that the boards will be here by the 2nd of November. Do you people want to wait until then, and if nothing happens, we can throw the towel in?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Oscar Wilde once said that the way to stay young is to repeat your mistakes.


Laughing

Well, if nothing good can come out of this, at least I got introduced to that quote.

November 2 is, what, about 6 feet of rope?

Other places are probably not like it, but probably not much worse, either if they wish to stay in business - Express PCB is amazingly precise. Both times I've ordered, the packages have arrived exactly when they told me upon placing the order, right down to morning or aftenoon. Ten business days each time. My prediction is that a certain CNC machine will be buzzing along in Citrus Grove, California most days. If even that exists. The CNC, not Citrus Grove. I'm pretty sure that place is there.

In other words, I don't think there ever was a PCB vendor. Does not compute.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Sigh. I know, Tom. I'm like Howard in that I try to think the best of people first. Hopefully Howard agrees with that use of his judgement as a comparison.

I still think we should see what Randall says. If he says nothing, that says something too, as we all know.

True story: A hawk caught a pigeon in our back garden today, and ate it, literally, right next our bird feeders, in fact, right at the house. Close enough to get video (yes, we did). The point being, I don't like the pigeons, but it is still uncomfortable when something takes one out. Uncomfortable, but satisfying too.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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November 2 is, what, about 6 feet of rope?


..and a 16-ton weight, a Claymore, rubber gloves and some fresh vanilla flavored handcuffs. You see, Randal also announced that he would launch his website the same day he got the delivery of the PCBs.

His company website should at time of the launch show his full range of products. He also promised downloadable user docs for the PCBs as well.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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November 2 is, what, about 6 feet of rope?


Laughing

Re. PCB manufacturers, the one we use in China (for production boards) is always on time, the one we use in Belgium (for prototypes) is always on time, the one we used to use in the Netherlands ... same thing ... you say 6 weeks they take six weeks, you say two days they take two days (not China of course in that case Very Happy ), you pay for it (and that can be a lot), and then they do it. So you might be right about that CNC thingie that still needs to be supplied with firmware, but Randal will have to say it.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Any chance that Randal might actually have tested the PCB designs? Did he ever build the circuits and write up some sensible docs?

I guess we´ll know.. there is a 2nd in December and January too.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Anyways, Randal has been in here all the time. His latest post I think is from this morning, yet another googling session resulting in another helpful post.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well, apart from the venting in here, there is no point in grinding his butt in public until his had his chance with the 2nd of Nov.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Intuition keeps telling me that Randal is actually an assistant to something a lot bigger- i.e. he's an apprentice, and a lot younger than he says. The '40 years of design experience' is probably his boss (who doesn't know of his great intentions!). Randal, I would imagine, is probably just a 'CAD monkey' (as they are known as in the profession Very Happy ), a CAD monkey with big ideas. He could be getting these boards from China, OTOH, he could just be getting these in the spare time when the CNC miller isn't being used (as mentioned before). The company he works with have probably got a PCB draftsperson too, or close contact with one- hence those nice looking mock-ups.

It's just a hunch- but I have this hunch because I meet these kinds of people everyday.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Intuition keeps telling me that Randal is actually an assistant to something a lot bigger- i.e. he's an apprentice, and a lot younger than he says. The '40 years of design experience' is probably his boss (who doesn't know of his great intentions!). Randal, I would imagine, is probably just a 'CAD monkey' (as they are known as in the profession Very Happy ), a CAD monkey with big ideas. He could be getting these boards from China, OTOH, he could just be getting these in the spare time when the CNC miller isn't being used (as mentioned before). The company he works with have probably got a PCB draftsperson too, or close contact with one- hence those nice looking mock-ups.


That one doesn´t match my profile of the guy.

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Okay. I'm taking bets now....... Laughing

......go on

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EdisonRex wrote:
I don't like the pigeons


Your story read a bit as a metaphor ... anyway ... pigeons are like flying rats, no idea where this peace thing comes from, they are not nice to each other at all and they'll kill each other when they feel like it. Anyway I used to have a lot of 'm around my apartment, until this spring I realized one day that I heard none at all ... I think they got poisoned or something, as things were really getting out of control, still I started to miss 'm, weird thing ...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

BTW, I think enough weight has been put into the PCB ordering thread for now, after all we shouldn't make it impossible for Randal to respond. Also Howard sent him a message, it's time to wait now a bit more I think.
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can't believe that Randal hasn't responded to that topic as his reputation is getting tarnished every day. I PM'd him about this.


Now we would be interested to find out what the results are from your PM to Randal. Thanks for doing that Very Happy

Jan has the best advice for now:

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BTW, I think enough weight has been put into the PCB ordering thread for now, after all we shouldn't make it impossible for Randal to respond. Also Howard sent him a message, it's time to wait now a bit more I think.



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
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I don't like the pigeons


Your story read a bit as a metaphor ... anyway ... pigeons are like flying rats, no idea where this peace thing comes from, they are not nice to each other at all and they'll kill each other when they feel like it. Anyway I used to have a lot of 'm around my apartment, until this spring I realized one day that I heard none at all ... I think they got poisoned or something, as things were really getting out of control, still I started to miss 'm, weird thing ...


I have some very close video. My wife set up video about 4 meters away (it was that close), and we have some very graphic video.

Metaphoric? yes, perhaps. I find metaphors in everything.

yes, flying rats. Everyone says "oh, the lovely pigeons" and I see rats on wings. I saw some swarming over a pavement pizza. That was hardly the thing that put me over the edge on them.

Anyway, my point is that outside influences may very well do our man in, as we watch. I doubt that such karma is limited to electro-music.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I agree about the pidgeons, especially in big cities. There should be a constant push to remove pidgeons from densely populated areas and turn them into compost! They breed mites, they shit on everything, and that makes big cities smell even worse than they already do.
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Yeah, thanks Stein.

no, i don't think too that Randall is a bad guy.
when thinking how the US society is working,
and that taking pills of any kind is daily business there,
then all that post from Randal and his activitys gives a good picture what could be the situation there.( but not must.. )

i had also some contact per PMs.
He is not stupid and have some skills, also his Ideas makes it plausible that he really could be a product designer, or were one.
But it's obvious that there something wrong has happend.

If someone would do so with the goal of ripping off folks here, he would go a little bit another route,
but not that far away from that from Randal...

just bring thousand boards at once, and get all the money in advance.....



don't feel to be forced too much about that,
everybody can see the presence of you moderators at EM.
It's nice to see that you all care, but there's not really a responsability.


Regards,

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Posted: Yesterday, at 7:15 pm
Subject: Re: QFG PCBs
Hmm...really weird.
I mean, he's contributed a lot to discussions on the forum, with a lot of insight and so on, but then he's got all these project announcements that are all up in the air (qfg, sds3, keyboard, vca's etc). It's all still vapor as far as I know.
But he's spent an awful lot of time writing lengthy posts in countless threads for someone trying to rip people off, so I won´t put him in that category...yet.

But he better come up with a satisfying explanation soon, or I WILL ask my money back.
Are you and the other moderators planning anything or...?

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Personally I think if Randal is 'guilty', I don't think we should ban him from here- I mean he could just come back again as 'someone else'. My perspective is that he knows what he is up to, your perspective Stein, I think, is that he's escaped from the funny farm (actually I do hold that idea to a degree anyway Laughing ), but here may be a good time to lay down a few rules (yes, I'm sorry....)......maybe not rules, but 'guidelines' on how members should present themselves when putting over these kind of entrepreneurial suggestions.

What do you think gang?

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Right, and then we´re back to the discussion of rules and guidelines. Good. I think it´s about time.
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Personally I think if Randal is 'guilty', I don't think we should ban him from here- I mean he could just come back again as 'someone else'. My perspective is that he knows what he is up to, your perspective Stein, I think, is that he's escaped from the funny farm (actually I do hold that idea to a degree anyway Laughing )



He´s highly dysfunctional, but not evil. If he had wanted to steal money for real then I´m pretty sure he would have managed to pull that off. What we have here is a sad character who really wants to be a hero but cannot cope with his shortcomings. It´s sad. What we should do and is probably doing by now is to protect the site and the members from his projects and protect him from himself as well. This should be the first and last product offering he has here at electro-music.com.

What would have been the sensible way out? That would have been to simply message each and every one of his customers with some kind of

" Oh shit.. I messed up.. I hope you guys can accept getting the money returned and there will be no PCBs for now.. my bad.."

That would be honest, easy and it builds character. Ignoring the shit like he does now shows his true crisis. Yes, I do think he is in some eternal maelstrom of dysfunctional bliss.

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BBOB posted just now in the Randal QFG thread.

Please don´t take the bait!

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That was some good Catfish Charlie in Bbob's post. I was circling the hook.... Very Happy
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