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synthmad

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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:56 am Post subject:
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Hi all,
I'm considering buying an Andromeda and found this forum.
I know the Andy sounds great from sound clips and demos on YouTube.
But how good / easy is it to work with ?
how difficult is it to create nice new sounds ?
previously I've had a Roland JP8000 and Quasimidi Sirius so I know the basics but I'm not an expert.
I've heard about issues where people can't recreate the same sound on a patch they have created, something to do with the tuning, is this a common issue?
How good is the MIDI implementation if I want to use it to control my Fantom XR rack module?
Any replies much appreciated
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sunny pedaal

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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject:
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it's good
the story of the patches never sounding the same is exagerated and thus not true.
if you can find your way a bit on let's say a software synth like reaktor or a clavia modular ( try the free g2 demo) than the a6 is a piece of cake too.
the main diffentence with the jp8000 is the need of always setting offsets . once you'll get a hold of that it's oke. just in the beginning it will take more time to get used too.
and you CAN get much, much deeper in programming than on a jp8000. but you can also stick to a more simple default patch and restrict yourself in that way.
it can easily be used for controlling external modules, however not as flexible as a dedicated controllerbox afcours. but for standart butter and bread controllers he does a proper job. i use the a6 as control/master keyboard in my studio but mostly work on sounds on the modules themselfs.
on the whole i'm very satisfied with my a6.
just wonder if it's still easy to find new( with guarantee) andromeda's ? |
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synthmad

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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject:
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hi, thanks for the reply.
There are places in the UK that have them in stock but tbh the price puts me off a bit and they seem to lose a lot of value when they appear on eBay.
I'm tempted by an Alesis Ion if I can find a new one, anyone have any comments about that ?
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hogberto

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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject:
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| synthmad wrote: | hi, thanks for the reply.
There are places in the UK that have them in stock but tbh the price puts me off a bit and they seem to lose a lot of value when they appear on eBay.
I'm tempted by an Alesis Ion if I can find a new one, anyone have any comments about that ?
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with a bit of patience you ought to be able to pick up an A6 second hand for £1k or less.
keep an eye on the sound on sound readers' ads.
or even e-bay uk, although you may want to do as i did and do it via a face to face transaction, which means waiting for one to come up reasonably nearby. |
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elektro80
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject:
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| synthmad wrote: | I'm tempted by an Alesis Ion if I can find a new one, anyone have any comments about that ?
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The Ion is something completely different. It´s pretty good though. I bought one new just now at more than 50% off. It seems this is primarily happening in Sweden and Norway. Thomann is selling it at full price. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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elektro80
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject:
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I see Turnkey is selling the A6 for 1700 pounds. That´s not bad at all. You get it new with warranty! _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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synthmad

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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject:
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dv247 sell the A6 for £1500, but the price of an Ion is very tempting. I know the Ion is all digital but I can live with that if it sounds good
where can you get Ions at 50% off ?  |
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hogberto

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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject:
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| elektro80 wrote: | | I see Turnkey is selleg the A6 for 1700 pounds. That´s not bad at all. You get it new with warranty! |
that's an interesting development.
i can't remember when turnkey last had andromeda's for sale.
there must be a new batch coming through.
you can though pick one up new at Digital Village for £1,500. and they're in stock (which you can't always be sure of with Turnkey in my experience). |
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elektro80
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject:
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| synthmad wrote: | dv247 sell the A6 for £1500, but the price of an Ion is very tempting. I know the Ion is all digital but I can live with that if it sounds good
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Norway and Sweden. They are dumping a huge number of Ions.
I have no idea if this is happening other places as well. However, Thomann and Musik Store are carrying it at full price. Turnkey is out and basically it seems like there are no cheap Ions in Britain at all. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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elektro80
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject:
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But I saw the Micron is selling for approx 235 pounds. That´s rather cheap considering that the cheap little rascal in some ways is more advanced than the Ion. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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synthmad

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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject:
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dolphinmusic site says they have some Ions on order. ive just been watching some youtube videos of the Ion and it sounds very FM style.
does the Andromeda have any issues or is it a safe buy ? i love the A6 demos. how about the tuning and possible faulty oscillators ? |
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elektro80
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject:
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| synthmad wrote: | dolphinmusic site says they have some Ions on order. ive just been watching some youtube videos of the Ion and it sounds very FM style.
does the Andromeda have any issues or is it a safe buy ? i love the A6 demos. how about the tuning and possible faulty oscillators ? |
The Ion is a digital VA synth. It is pretty sweet.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep03/articles/alesision.htm
I haven´t heard yet any official demo clips that really shows how sweet it really is. I´ve heard that Klaus Schulze Ion demo CD. That sounds pretty much like KS and it says little about the Ion.
Sound wise it covers a pretty large terrain. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject:
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Anyways, you asked about the A6. I don´t own it but I have had the chance to play around with one. I really like it. Do I want it? Oh yes.. I want it! Who has the most gear when he dies wins!
However, I don´t really need it at the moment. Basically I got the Ion in order to get more colour that would complement the other gear I have. I had and still have a lot of analogue Roland stuff. Most of it I really hated from the day I brought it home brand new.
Back to the A6. It´s a classic. It´s truly wild. It´s pretty deep and it has an attitude. If you need a polyphonic analogue synth then the A6 should be first on your list.
Then a confession:
Right now I have all the gear I need in order to make the stuff I want. But there is one synth that might fit my profile and that is the Dave Smith PEK.
A PEK is however not an A6. It is another kind of creature. Nothing is quite like an A6. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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synthmad

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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject:
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I'm really liking the demos of the A6 on youtube, I could get one if i sold my fully expanded Fantom XR.
i seem to change gear every few months lol.
the Poly Evolver looks interesting.
anyone have any comments about the Access Virus TI or the Nord Lead 2x ? |
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject:
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What stuff do you have already? I mean, what is the A6 going to fit in with? _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject:
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Shit!
Now I want this one:
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synthmad

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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject:
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haha is that a theremin ?
actually I only have my Fantom XR at the moment and a broken Quasimidi Raven. I've borrowed an Alesis QS6 to use as a midi controller for the Fantom XR. I like the Fantom but i don't have the time for too much gear. I'm not recording anything at the moment, just playing and having fun. |
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject:
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You might want to consider finding stuff you want to keep. There is not one fantastic synth out there which will do everything for you. Well, of course then there is the Acxel II. That one is a myth reborn. We even have a forum for it here. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Jyoti

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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject:
Re: how good is the Andromeda ? |
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| synthmad wrote: |
But how good / easy is it to work with ?
how difficult is it to create nice new sounds ?
previously I've had a Roland JP8000 and Quasimidi Sirius so I know the basics but I'm not an expert.
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I bought mine recently (from Absolute for £1439) and I love it!
But, yes, it is a monster of a synth, there are so many potential ways to mangle your sound.
However, it's also laid-out very well. And, unlike a lot of current hardware synths (VA or true analogue), there's no parameter sharing. For example, I love the fact there are three dedicated envelope sections. This kind of layout makes it very easy to create your own sounds, either from a the bare default patch or by tweaking. It's a synth made for tweaking.
FWIW, I also have other analogue polys and a Virus TI Polar - the A6 complements them. It's its own thing, not a copy of anything else.
I really recommend you have a play on an Ion, Virus and A6 (maybe at Turnkey or DV?) and decide what fits you best. There is no 'one-size-fits-all' with synths, in my opinion. _________________ My music: here! |
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synthmad

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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:02 am Post subject:
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thanks for the replies, i guess i should try them out before buying.
cheers. |
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elektro80
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:39 am Post subject:
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I recommend that you do not use headphones when you audition synths, at least not the Ion. Use a PA and preferably a fairly decent one. It is always smart to have a good compressor around too. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:44 am Post subject:
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What I´m saying here is that the "stereo" signal through the headphones very often sounds incredibly lethargic. You will have no idea about what the synth really can do. The Ion sounds mild mannered and weak through the headphones and the factory presets doesn´t help much. Connect the Ion to a PA and start tweaking. Within seconds you will have something that shaves your balls and tears off the roof.
The Ion will have your balls! _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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synthmad

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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject:
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nice
I think im going to go for an Andromeda, I know i want one
does the Andromeda play beats and drums and stuff ? ive heard demos but im not sure if the beats are from the Andy or from something else. |
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject:
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For the record, I've had a Micron and I have an Andromeda. My ears said that the Andromeda covered pretty much everything the Micron did, with a lot more balls and depth. The Micron / Ion is good on a budget, but the Andromeda to me is preferable.
Other than analog drum sounds, the Andromeda really can't do beats... not a big deal though. |
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject:
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Agreed, the A6 is more ballsy.  _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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