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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 11:00 am    Post subject: Wet filter question Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hello,

I am reading in the nord modular book by James J Clark about wet filters. Chapter 3.5 (page 43) gives a small explanation on dispersion as a method to obtain "wetness".
It reads "different frequencies having different delays", but in the example patch on the next page, (see attachment), the delays are all controlled by a single constant.

Doesn't this demonstrate different frequencies with equal delay times?

(other theory and examples on (wet) filter design are very welcome!)

Thank you.


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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 12:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Wet filter question Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Alexander wrote:
Doesn't this demonstrate different frequencies with equal delay times?


The delays are in series so the later stages have more delay. You can do this on the G2 with a single dlyEight module.

I'm not sure exactly what it means to have wet filters. Do they sound like water? Perhaps it has something to do with damping.

Is there an example of what a wet filter sounds like somewhere?
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I completely overlooked that. Thanks.

I am actually working with the msp filters and trying out all sort of things. Wet filters is just a strange term, but it describes the character of one. Patch noise into both the carrier and modulator of an vocoder and you'll have an example of "wetness".
As described in the book, the filters in the nord will sound "moister" never really "wet"! Very Happy

Wonderful things, though, filters!

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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Alexander wrote:
Patch noise into both the carrier and modulator of an vocoder and you'll have an example of "wetness".


Ah, it does sound like water.
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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The wetness is indeed the result of the frequency-dependent phase-dispersion, that and a bit of resonance. This is one thing that analog filters seem to have all over their digital counterparts, although I was pleasantly surprised by those on the NM.

You can get phasers (all-pass filters) to sound wet too, if you use an envelope follower to modulate the phaser's frequency, you can get pretty far.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

GeneralBigBag wrote:
You can get phasers (all-pass filters) to sound wet too, if you use an envelope follower to modulate the phaser's frequency, you can get pretty far.


Nice, I'll give that a try later tonight! I am currently exploring the msp filterobjects, but when you start combining filters, there's just too many combinations.

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