Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:37 pm Post subject:
Broken NL3 or not? Subject description: Can it be fixed by myself?
Hi,
my first posting and already with a problem.
A few years ago i bought s/h a NL3. Lately it seems that there´s a annoying noise in the signal pathway, that can also be heard on the headphone output.
Usually you can´t hear that noise when doing pad or lead sounds or fx sounds, but mostly in bass sounds you can hear this. Is it something i can fix myself or what else can i do?
Please help me. I´ve written Clavia already a dozen emails about it. So far no reaction from their side.
Ok...i never used MIDI together with my Mac, so i had to figure out first, why in the world my Mac doesn´t show those M-Audio Midi Drivers and furthermore...why is ASM crashing? Took me a while to get it working. But now, i attached a Bass Sound. Best played in lower Octaves, with one key pressed a little bit longer, with a long sustain. And crank the volume up and lower the cutoff frequency a bit.
Do you hear also that little machine-buzz-noise? It actually responses to ADSR it seems and gets louder when you open the resonance. Is this supposed to be in this patch or is my NL3 broken? I have this noise also found with some more patches.
And here is another SysEx. Play it in lowest octave and lowest key, closed cutoff, open resoncance. On my NL3 i hear clearly a nasty machine-buzz-noise. An MP3 of it here: http://geschnittenbrot.podspot.de/post/noise-nl3/
Please beware of the volume. Very deep frequency in this.
Let me see, if i can find a patch, that produces that noise in higher regions. I think i stumbled recently about one.
Thank you Wout for checking at least. Any idea what it could be?
It is clearly influenced by the ADSR, so it can´t be some distortion of the signal outputs, rather must be something else inside the circuits.
What also drives me crazy is that with most patches you can´t hear it, but with certain ones you do. Especially that Rhodz patch shows it loud and clear. Maybe the FM section is warped?
Personally I think there something wrong with the DAC's...
Maybe you better contact:
Sound Service GmbH
Bundesallee 86-88
D-12161 Berlin
Germany
Phone: +43-(0)662-442164
Fax: +43-(0)662-442194
website: http://www.soundservice.de
Wout
Ah good, thank you! I´ll try that. No i don´t believe the DAC´s have a problem, since when Unison is switched off, everything works like a charme. Maybe that little Unison/Chorus generator fx is somehow warped. Hm.
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:12 am Post subject:
dreinulldrei wrote:
... They told me that the DSP board probably needs to get replaced. A few hundred euros.
Replacing the DSP board is rather easy. They won't allow you to do it yourself (They want to make some money too), but maybe the best way is to make an appointment and make the trip to them. It wil be done in twenty minutes, so you can take your synth back. The best way to transport the synth is by yourself...
The trip to the store would take me about a day and a couple more hundred Euros, since i am in the north of Germany, and they are in the far south in a little village.
The most expensive part is the board itself. They told me that one DSP is like 80Euro.
And the story continues...guess what...since last year, in which the EU made a law that forbit lead in electronic circuitry...Clavia is no longer producing the DSP Board for the NL3...so i can´t get a replacement. Now they offered to repair the one i have....geez...that will take a couple of weeks, i guess. _________________ Blog: http://dreinulldrei.wordpress.com
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That's real s**t!
The only funny part is there is no 'lead' in a 'Lead' anymore, but that won't help you much...
BTW which part is broken, since they will not replace the whole board?
Wout
Yeup. Only a Nord 3 then.
They would replace the whole DSP board...if there would be still DSP boards available...but Clavia don´t have those anymore. So my guess is that they will replace the DSP chips and see if the problem is still there and go from there.
It´s a shame that they don´t have replacement boards for their 2000Euro performance synth flagship anymore. And yes the NL3 is out of production. And i doubt they will introduce a NL4, the NL2x is selling too well for that. I consider to downgrade...otoh the NL3 interface is the best and most advanced i ever found in a synth so far. _________________ Blog: http://dreinulldrei.wordpress.com
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